Lawn Chair Catechism, Session 2: God Has No Grandchildren



Welcome to the second session of Lawn Chair Catechism, using Forming Intentional Disciples: The Path to Knowing and Following Jesus, by Sherry Weddell (Our Sunday Visitor, 2012).

A few notes:

  • You’ll be able to leave comments and/or leave your link at the end.
  • You do not have to read the book to participate. Be sure to check out our discussion guide. There’s plenty to get started with if that’s all you use (one page a week).
  • There is still time to take advantage of the great discount offer from Our Sunday Visitor. $10 AND free shipping = a great deal!

In last week’s comments, I thought Jen Fitz (the brains behind this whole project) made a great point about answer the “In Your Parish” questions we’ve included:

The parish questions are important, but sometimes the answers are not really appropriate for a public discussion.

I’d encourage folks to answer them on the internet if:
-The example can be helpful to others, especially if the example points to specific ways to problem-solve.
-The example *will not* be hurtful to fellow parishioners.

In many cases, the parish questions should be reserved for discussion within the parish. It’s an essential conversation, but think of it like a family meeting — not every topic a family needs to talk about should be broadcast to the whole world.

It is important to respect the privacy and good name of our family members. Personal matters are sometimes better dealt with personally.

But: Please, oh please, when you have something helpful to share, please share it! We need to learn from each other. And absolutely, the approach of “How do I fit into my parish’s mission?” is the way to go. 100%.

This week, we’ll be covering Chapter 1, “God Has No Grandchildren.”


In her first chapter of Forming Intentional Disciples, Sherry Weddell describes with detailed statistics the crisis of Catholics leaving the Church.  She shares the evidence that most departures happen in young adulthood, and that most who leave never come back.  She concludes:

If this trend does not change, in ten years it will cease to matter that we have a priest shortage.  The Builders will be largely gone, the Boomers retiring, and our institutions – parishes and schools – will be emptying at an incredible rate.

After demonstrating that this trend is just as worrying among Hispanic Catholics, she delves into the reason for the emptying of the pews across all ages and ethnics groups.  The primary cause of departures relates to an unexpected finding, discovered in surveys researching the beliefs of Catholics:

. . . one of the most fundamental challenges facing our Church is this: The majority of adult Catholics are not even certain that a personal relationship with God is possible.

She shares a conversation with an archdiocesan vocations director that underscores the statistical reality:

I asked him, “What percentage of the men you work with – men discerning a possible call to the priesthood – are already disciples?”

His answer was immediate: “None.”

“Why do you think that is?”

He was very clear: “They don’t know how.  No one has ever talked to them about it.”

For discussion:

In your own faith:

  • Have you always been Catholic?
  • How did the instruction and mentoring you received help you – or prevent you – from having a personal relationship with God?
  • If you were raised in a Catholic home, are your family members all still Catholic?
  • What events among your friends and family seem to explain why some are Catholic, and others are not?

In your parish:

  • How’s your “retention rate”?  What percentage of 8th graders in your parish are still practicing the faith at age 18?  At age 24? Do young adults in your parish stay in touch with their childhood faith community, or do they drift away to an unknown fate?


Join the discussion!

We’ll be “talking” in the combox, too, so please leave your thoughts there as well!


About Author

When she’s not chasing kids, chugging coffee, or juggling work, Sarah Reinhard’s usually trying to stay up read just one…more…chapter. She writes and works in the midst of rural farm life with little ones underfoot. She is part of the team for the award-winning Catholic Mom’s Prayer Companion, as well as the author of a number of books. You can join her for a weekday take on Catholic life by subscribing to Three Shots and follow her writing at Snoring Scholar.


  1. I’m a convert from Episcopalianism. My husband Manny (a cradle Catholic) made it clear from the beginning that he was dating me with a view to marriage, but he was concerned that we didn’t share the same faith. He was a dedicated evangelizer, but stressed that my conversion should happen because I fell in love with Jesus and the Catholic Church not just because I fell in love with Manny!

    The impact of marriage cannot be underestimated in whether people keep their faith. The people I know who have drifted away from the Church have done it because of divorce or because their spouse doesn’t share or support their faith.

    • Jennifer Fitz on

      Karee – I’ve observed the same thing. I know from first hand experience that mixed-faith marriages are very hard.

      • Charlotte Ostermann on

        I have a friend who converted after starting to date a Baptist man….the church didn’t insist he agree to raise the children Catholic and she thought, well, okay, they can be Baptist with him….but after a child was born, mama realized how much she wanted the grace of baptism for her, a relationship with Mary for her, all the Sacraments, and sacramentals, and knowledge of lives of the Saints….all this prohibited by her pre-motherhood sense of unity with her hubby….so hard, so hard….

        • Jennifer Fitz on

          I found the hardest part of being in a mixed-cult marriage (that’s the technical term – both Christian, but different sects) is that I could not share with my spouse the one thing that was most important to me. Some things, yes, but not the deep stuff.

          People don’t really get how painful that separation is. I think it sometimes causes folks to decide God just isn’t that important, since we don’t have Him as a common bond in our marriage.

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  3. In reading this chapter I was hit with so many revealing statistics and information as to why “God Has no Grandchildren”. Perhaps it’s because I attend mass regularly and am active in my parish that I feel there is a resurgence in faith? A seeking of God. I read an article today that a High School student included the Lord’s Prayer instead in his prepared speech as Valedictorian!! I will do everything I can to make sure that my God has my grandchildren!

    Here’s a link to the story and the youtube video of the student:


  4. I was confirmed a Catholic 15 years ago. Previously I was a Baptist. I married a Catholic and he was required to promise to raise the children as Catholics, which bothered me somewhat at the time (20 years ago).
    My personal relationship at the time we married was pretty sad. I had not taken my Christian faith very seriously for a few years (in my mid-twenties). After I married my husband, we attended general Protestant services at a military chapel and Catholic Mass at an off-base parish on Sundays. Eventually we stopped going to Protestant services. I started to feel comfortable at Mass with the exception of Marian feasts and not being able to receive communion. I finally attended RCIA at an overseas parish. All my questions were answered by the Holy Spirit and I was confirmed. During this process, my faith and my relationship with God became stronger and stronger–intellectually as well as spiritually.
    Today, my husband and I have a Catholic home. My children are enrolled in a Catholic homeschool, I teach religious education, and my oldest son is at a Catholic University.
    There are no other Catholics on my side of the family. My mother is a faithful Baptist and had trouble with my choices at first. However, she does attend First Communions and Confirmations because she is happy that any of her grandchildren are Christians. Neither my two siblings nor any of their children are involved in any church whatsoever. So, despite my family being Catholic, she’s happy that they do have a relationship with God.
    As far as our retention rate in the parish is concerned, I’m not sure what are the statistics. I know that our youth group has a high retention rate even after Confirmation (I would estimate around 80% or so) and several high school graduates have volunteered to help with the youth group, RE, and VBS. I believe some do drift away but I know the youth leader has given them a good spiritual foundation. One of the problems, as I see though, is a lack of faithfulness on the part of the parents. I think the parents’ lack of catechesis and influences of the outside world after high school are more to blame then our parish.

    • Laurann,
      I agree with your very last comment for sure! So many wonderfully, faith-filled adults I know will just let their children “sleep in” or whatever and then how is a young adult supposed to take his/her faith seriously after that? I was horrified to hear from many catechists (of whom I was the ONLY one who attended weekly Mass, by the way) who would attend Mass occasionally but not think it was a big deal if they missed. Uhm…they are teaching our children but also have children of their own. My immediate thought was about their own children who were most of the time in their own classes…what are THEY being taught at home? That hypocrisy is okay?

      I also taught 1st grade CCD and it was heart-breaking to see/hear that out of my 11 students, only 2 went to weekly Mass and a 3rd went about half the time. The others said their parents “wouldn’t let them go” or that “they watched football on Sunday” and things like that. When I brought them into the Church on a “field trip” I was near tears as they oooohhhhed and aaaaahhhhed over all the statues, Stations, etc., and asked so many beautiful questions. These same children were to make their First Communion this year…I wonder if it will be their “First” or their “only” and for how long? Heart breaking…

      On the flip side, I know that I went to Church weekly growing up but, again, around 13 or so, my parents just let me decide on my own. I did go back when I was 15 but then fell away again shortly after my oldest son was born, only attending “once in awhile” (around 24 yrs old). I came back fully when I was 31 and now have a 21 year old who doesn’t practice & stopped when he was 18. My husband is not a practicing Catholic so I have been raising them in the Faith all by myself. Not easy but oh-so-worth it and I have to believe that in the end, my oldest son will return. Until then, I keep praying!

      On another note, I am really enjoying this book & am glad that I jumped into the Lawn Chair with all of you! God bless!!!

  5. The personal relationship is through Sacramental devotion; and it isn’t a personal relationship as other faiths see it as it involves Jesus becoming one with us.

    People leave the Church because of poor catechesis. I used to attend an “interfaith” bible study, that turned out to actually be a church, when I was in college. I also attended Mass, because of that ‘ole pesky John 6 admonition. I met *scores* of lapsed Catholics who didn’t know *squat* about the Catholic faith, on any level, at all. Almost all of them had been processed through a parochial school, and had parents who were Catholic. Let that be an admonition to attend to what your parish is teaching your children regarding the faith.

    My wife and I raised our kids at a parish run by a religious order. Of all of the kids who attended that CCD program (there were about 300-450 kids each year), I can count and name 4 who are now lapsed in their early 20’s. Catechesis, Sacraments, Family Engagement, Worship in communion with the Holy See. That is what will stop attrition.

    • I agree that Sacramental reception is our personal relationship with the Lord. I feel there is nothing closer than ingesting the body and blood of Christ (and we Catholics are the only ones who do it!)

      • Kelly Guest on

        I agree with your comments, too, Michael. Our relationship with our Lord has to be personal and sacramental. Can you get any moe personal than recieving Jesus Himself into your own body at Holy Communion?!
        I remember disagreeing with the author when she said that catechetical way of the middle ages no longer works in the 21st century. I think the real problem is that the catechesis that has been going on for the last 40 years hs not been true catecizing. Now we are reaping the fruit of generations who don’t really know who God is. C.C.D. is my day was all fluff, no meat and potatoes. I thank God my father sat me and my siblings down Sunday evening and taught us from the Baltimore Catechism. We are all still practicing, faithful Catholics raising our 19 children to be the same.

        • Sherry Weddell on

          What a great conversation! It is encouraging to see so many woman talking about their relationship with God and experiences of discipleship.

          You’ll be happy to know that chapter 4 of the book is all about this very topic: the Church’s teaching on the relationship of encounter with Christ, personal faith, and sacramental grace bearing fruit in our lives. A subject that the Church has been pondering for many centuries. Of course, it isn’t “personal relationship with Jesus” vs. Christ in the Eucharist and certainly a Catholic disciple would not experience it as such. The problem is that so many of our own are just going through the motions and the motions alone do not save us. As the Catechism puts it, the “liturgy must be preceded by evangelization, faith, and conversion” (CCC 1072)

    • Jennifer Fitz on

      Agreed 100% on catechesis. 1000%. There’s-not-a-number-high-enough percent.

      “The personal relationship is through Sacramental devotion; and it isn’t a personal relationship as other faiths see it as it involves Jesus becoming one with us. ”

      I found the biography of Mother Theresa _Come Be My Light_ is a very good inside look at what a Catholic “personal relationship” with God looks like. The sacramental relationship, the prayer life, the outflowing of that life in everyday living . . . whole package. Very helpful resource to consider, in looking for a way to show people what we’re talking about.

  6. Ginny Kubitz Moyer on

    I adore the liturgy and ritual of our Catholic faith … but I can see how it could make some cradle Catholics, as young adults, feel as though they are simply “going through the motions” of faith. It is easy to see how other, more “demonstrative” denominations or forms of worship can be appealing.

    But as Catholics, we have such a powerful personal connection with Christ every Sunday in the communion line … he feeds us, body and soul. To be fair, I think it can take a lifetime to wrap one’s head around the significance of that. But I also think that sending that message to our kids at a young age helps plant the seeds.

    I blogged about this yesterday, in fact — it’s not a formal Lawn Chair post but it does show a recent experience where my four-year-old (and I myself) felt the personal love of Christ in a new way.

  7. I just added my post to the lineup. I was raised a “none” and then became a Catholic. I mention in my post that I think those of us “none” to Catholic converts have a unique journey compared to those who convert from another faith, no matter what that faith was. We are free to learn everything about the faith because we have no preconcieved notions but we are also at a disadvantage because we don’t know what we are “supposed” to do and there is not much out there to teach us the practical in and out of living the Catholic life. I think this is also why some Catholics drift away from the faith- they just don’t know what to do and get overwhelmed.

    • Jennifer Fitz on

      ” I think this is also why some Catholics drift away from the faith- they just don’t know what to do and get overwhelmed.”

      Yes. This. Agreed.

  8. In reading the responses so far what stands out to me : RCIA programs as a potential problem area. Some questions I’m mulling over :What makes a good RCIA program? What are the alternatives? How does our RCIA compare to the introductions of early Christians? How do parishioners approach pastors or DRE’s if they perceive a problem in the RCIA process?

    • Sherry Weddell on

      Great, important question!

      Chapter 8 draws extensively on the experience of an RCIA team in Oregon.

  9. Nancy H C Ward on

    “Participation does not qualify for discipleship,” describes our family at the lowest point of our spiritual life. As parents we were dragging our children to mass and CCD as our duty. Our parish was pretty dead with an alcoholic priest and lethargic catechists. It wasn’t the people next to us in the pews that snapped us out of it. It was a subgroup of people in one of the ecclesial movements who invited us to a retreat. Following that we found a place in the family of God to belong in this group of on-fire Catholics. We soon became what is described as “exeptionally pious or spiritually gifted,” but really we just became normal disciples eager to spread our faith to those in the pews who looked like we did a short time ago.

    • Jennifer Fitz on

      Nancy – that is such an encouraging story! (Not that things were bad — but that there’s so much hope.)

  10. There were some things about this chapter that weren’t very surprising, such as the number of people leaving the Church in the US, and the fact that about half of them end up as protestants–mostly evangelicals–when they leave. I’ve witnessed that often enough to have expected it. I know a huge number of ex-Catholics professionally. [I recently retired from an international corporation headquartered here in the US.] I also had read in other media about the enormous and wonderful expansion of the Church in Africa and Asia. That’s a joy and it’s nice to see the numbers in print.

    There were other things, though, that I found surprising, particularly about the Church i in the US. Sherry Weddell said in the book, “I had always assumed that when people said that they believed in God, they meant a personal God. What other kind of God is there?” And yet, here is very solid evidence that over half of Catholics aren’t sure that a personal relationship with God is possible. (p. 44)

    I’m a convert and I had the same assumptions as Sherry Weddell. This surprises me. I’ve been Catholic nearly 30 years, and I knew that some of this went on, but I didn’t realize that the percentage was this large. But now that I see it, yes, it’s explanatory of many things.

    • Jennifer Fitz on

      Jan, that surprised me, too. Honestly, I find it hard to really think about, it is so far outside my own experience.

  11. As someone who is part of our parish adult faith formation team and facilitator for almost three years now, I can say that our experiences are always wide and vast. I used to want to just SHARE what I knew with people. Now, I know it has to be on their timeline and that involves a surrendering to the Holy Spirit’s timeline. Giving up control.

    What ultimately brings people into our parish – I’ve found – is this willingness to put friendship first. Kindness is this amazingly potent little thing that goes SO far and so wide into breaking down those barriers. The people who come into our Jesus is Lord program {which teaches the Kerygma} have some pretty high walls built around their hearts. My job, even though my passion is evangelization and apologetics, is to just be their friend, to be the hands and feet of Christ for them. It’s amazing to me how many people simply don’t know that Jesus loves them with such a particularly scandalizing kind of love. Once the walls come down, then the catechesis and evangelizing can take root.

    I always tell people, it sounds so hokey, but it’s kindness and love for one another that draws people in. They may see attending Mass as just a check off the to-do box, but once their hearts are pierced, they see it as the experience that God intends for us.

    • melanie jean juneau on

      The fastest growing order of priests in North America called “The Companions of the Cross” ( fully obedient to the magisterium) arose from the the Charismatic Renewal in Ottawa . They have several houses in Ottawat , Toronto, Texas, Halifax and another city in the maritimes with a formation house in Combermere near Maddonna House. Many young men brought up in this Charismatic..Catholic Church have become priests and they DO have a personal relationship with Christ just like Bible thumping Protestants. Once a young person is touched personally by the Holy Spirit he becomes a fervent, faithful Catholic

      • He’s been around for quite a while, if I recall. I read an old paperback by him a long time ago. At the time, I didn’t know what to think of it, but now it’s very interesting.

  12. melanie jean juneau on

    The fastest growing order of priests in North America called “The Companions of the Cross” ( fully obedient to the magisterium) arose from the the Charismatic Renewal in Ottawa . They have several houses in Ottawat , Toronto, Texas, Halifax and another city in the maritimes with a formation house in Combermere near Maddonna House. Many young men brought up in this Charismatic..Catholic Church have become priests and they DO have a personal relationship with Christ just like Bible thumping Protestants. Once a young person is touched personally by the Holy Spirit he becomes a fervent, faithful Catholic

  13. Michele L. on

    Does anyone know if there are any “length” parameters that aren’t indicated? I have tried twice to type a reply and have lost my text both times! I really would like to share but I can’t seem to 🙁

    • Jennifer Fitz on

      Maybe cut it up into a chunk at a time, and make a series? (I’m not the technical person here. But since you’re getting through on small comments, it might work.)

    • Michele, there shouldn’t be, but if you included a link it might have gotten caught by our filter. I’ll check the back end to see if there’s anything floating around. But yes, do try small chunks at a time if the longer one isn’t working.

      Also asked Lisa about it so we’re definitely looking into it.

  14. I have always been ‘catholic’ but not Catholic if you get my drift. I always say I believed in God I just didn’t know Him. And one of the reasons is that I did not really know my faith. My mother and father were strong Catholics but also having all they could handle raising eight kids and right at the time my faith was being formed was right around Vatican II. In fact right in the middle of learning to be an altar server we were told to forget about the latin. I will admit at the time to being relieved. 🙂 This is not aiming to be a Vat II bash but I also remember quite a few of the priests, brothers and sisters who were good teachers left their orders. I also remember retreats in rooms with black lights, strobe lights, every light except the light of Jesus! I guess they were trying to relate to us…after all this was the 60s. I would say what kept me grounded and close to my Catholic faith (even though I did not fully know or understand it) through the years was my mother and her faith. I also remember my wife bringing home the Catechism of the Catholic Church copyright 1992 with an Imprimi Potest by then Cardinal Ratzinger and making me read it! We still have that copy. So little things (little things like the Grace of God) 🙂 along the way always brought me back to the faith.

    My parish is very strong and growing. It has a school (up to 8th grade) and I see many altar servers that are in high school and beyond and many young people, young families present at Mass.

  15. Session 2: Chapter 1 God Has No Grandchildren

    The data presented in Chapter 1 echos and confirms many of the same facts and figures that Fr. William J. Bausch’s trilogy The Parish of the next Millennium, Catholics in Crisis and Brave New Church written from 1998 to 2001; Twenty-Third Publications, pointed to over a decade ago. I see some signs in the parishes we’ve been blessed to participate in from Arizona, Colorado, Texas and now Oregon that at least recognition of the crisis exists.

    I was baptized as an infant – so yes, I’ve always been Catholic. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s and experienced the divorce of my parents when I was eight – so much for Catholic School. I did attend one year of Catholic High School and God made sure some pretty awesome folks crossed my path. They and the example my father set maintained my awareness of God even through my college years. It wasn’t until being away from the Church in our early 20’s that my wife and I came back and I first experienced having a relationship with God.

    Ongoing adult education and a couple of conversion experiences in the early 90’s helped me develop an adult faith life. As for the members of my family – even extended family e.g. cousins, most have drifted away from the church. Why or what events are the cause? Divorce, teen pregnancy, and relocations are some of the reasons why I feel most members no longer practice their faith.

    Ongoing catechesis, into adult life helps form a foundation for a mature faith life. I believe that until one experiences real crisis, the need for God isn’t even contemplated much today. We’ve lost the sense of mystery and a willingness to explore it in our “just Google it and there’s your answer” society. I’m not saying one needs to personally experience a miracle, but there need to be conversion moments, to “know with your know-er” just how much God loves you – right here, right now.

    On the parish level – yes we do have a school associated with ours; my estimate of 8th graders still practicing their faith at 18 would be 10 – 15% and at 24, 5 – 10%. The staying in touch part is key – it’s so easy to drift away. There are a handful of high schoolers and young adults that I call “my heroes” and they are the ones that give me hope.

  16. Lethal Carrot on

    I am an adult convert, at age 33. I’m Catholic because once I got through my youthful “seeking” and decided to return to Christianity, it was unthinkable to me to go anywhere but to The Source, which I always knew as the Catholic Church, even as a 16yo nominal-Methodist reading my Bible, Matthew Chapter 16.

    But I am not a disciple and have no idea how to have a personal relationship with Christ that is not a parody of emotionality, which is mostly what you will find in the prottie churches I experienced in my childhood and youth. I do have one Aunt, who is Baptist, who I think might be a bonafide disciple, but we have not been close and now live 1500 miles apart, so I’ve never spoken with her about it.

    I do have extended family who are nominally-Catholic. From what I can tell, their religion is really just liberal do-gooder-ism, nothing really to do with Christ in their hearts, more with making themselves feel good about themselves. But then I can’t read their minds, only hear what they say and watch what they do. Very limited range that I see there.

    • Carrot,
      I’m also a convert. Yes, the range is very limited, but you can usually find people if you look for them. There are a few around. Keep looking and please don’t give up. Look around at neighboring parishes and see if there are some small ongoing bible studies or charismatic groups. These are good places to look. You will often find them in little clusters when you find them, often two or three at a time.

  17. Just as St. Jerome said, “Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of God,” so too ignorance of our Catholic faith is ignorance of Christ. This is because is the Church is both the Body of Christ and His Bride.

    Catechesis, coupled with a vibrant return to the sacraments, which are channels of God’s grace, and taking the Blessed Mother, the first and best disciple, into the home of our hearts, will bring us much, much closer to where and how we want to be as Church. But, we have to model this. Catechesis needs to be done at every level, including that of our religious education teachers.

    We have a reasonable to good retention rate. But, it’s not perfect. It’s hard for kids to internalize what they don’t see exemplified at home. Let us pray that we will all work to bring Christ into every aspect of our lives and of our world.

  18. Donna Smith on

    I’ve just got to respond to Carrot’s post–Dietrich von Hildebrand wrote a book, The Heart, in which he validates emotion as fully human as the intellect–it’s not necessarily overly emotional sentimentalism. Sometimes what we view on the outside doesn’t reflect at all what’s going on in a person’s heart. Some people’s tradition shows emotion easily, but a quiet worshipper may also be on fire for Christ. Just because evangelicals are emotional doesn’t mean that’s wrong–if it’s sincere emotion. I converted to the Catholic faith 10 years ago from a PresbyLutheran background with a stop through a Baptist women’s Bible study (which is the means God used to bring me back to his body and blood, by the way). My Catholic life has not been easy. I’ve been treated like a weird person, asked if I was “pious”, called a “fundamentalist” behind my back. It seems like if some Protestants (please do not use insulting terms) are overly-emotional, Catholics are *entirely* in their heads. After reading blogs, and books let me say it again–Catholics are *entirely* in their heads. And very proud of it. The faith-reason connection and 2000 years of intellectual history is something amazing, but we’ve completely stopped there. As I was reading on a young Catholic’s blog, we don’t say “Jesus”. We talk about Christ, because that’s oh-so-more acceptable to intellectuals who would otherwise :::gasp:::persecute us and think we’re fundamentalists! And I can say this because I’m guilty of denying Jesus in this way myself. This is the problem as I see it. We need to proclaim Jesus as Lord, and read the Bible (not the readings in the lectionary–that’s so acceptable, if you know what I mean), but the Holy Bible. Jesus–the Bible–Jesus–the Bible. And yes, the Eucharist is Jesus. But something has gone horribly wrong. I’m staying Catholic. But I’m going to evangelical Bible studies because I need to rediscover my first love which is being slowly strangled in my parish. Thank you for letting me vent.

    • Donna – Have you explored the Catholic Charismatic renewal ? You may find your first love there – amoung Catholics who are more expressive and less “in their heads”

  19. Donna Smith on

    I just read Forming Intentional Disciples and it so hit home with me that all my frustrations are coming to the surface. I need to really fight discouragement and not let my anger out all over the place. I shall try to listen and learn, and talk less….

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